Creationism

“Tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and big enough, people will believe it.” —Kent Hovind on Evolution

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I started to work my way through Kent Hovind’s Creationism Seminar. I had heard them all before when I was Christian, and they were very influential in providing me the “evidence” I needed to believe in Creationism. I’m listening to them again with my new perspective, and as I go, I’ll jot down my thoughts right here.

Kent Hovind is a very energetic and dynamic communicator. He’s funny, and delivers his lines with such confidence, it’s no wonder people were drawn in by the content of his seminars. When I was a kid I was a huge fan of his. I even attended one of this seminars in person! Oh yeah. I was a nerd.

Part One, The Age of the Earth

  • Overall thoughts: I would point out that the title of this segment is called “The Age of the Earth”. I am currently 30 minutes into this talk, and all he’s done so far is just CLAIM that the earth is 6,000 years old, but hasn’t specifically touched on any evidence to back on that claim. All he’s done is bring up reasons why evolution is false, which doesn’t support his claim. He’s kind of hopping all over the place.
  • 4:09 – KH stated that there were two world views. People look at the earth and say “It’s amazing that this came from evolution” and others “it’s amazing that this was created by god”. I would point out that this is something that a lot of believers do—they call the entire process of cosmology and creation of matter, life, etc,”evolution”, when in fact, evolution actually only deals with one very specific thing: the process by which organisms developed and diversified. Words mean things. It’s important to choose them carefully.
  • 5:12 – He says that if evolution is true, then “you’re nothing important”.  And when we die we just go to the grave and get recycled into a worm or a plant. He implies that’s a bad thing.
  • 7:00 – He posits that the idea of evolution got started right in the garden of Eden by satan. That the theory of evolution was an idea created by man to make us “as gods”. I’m really not sure what he means here, because if you take the theory of evolution as true, then it is extremely humbling to understand our origins and flaws.
  • 9:04 – “Tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and big enough, people will believe it.” Ironically this argument he makes applies directly to Creationism and religious beliefs too. He goes on to talk about lies, how you tell a big lie and mix a little truth in. He uses various metaphors: rat poison, cigarettes, and alcohol. Kent asks a rhetorical question, “‘How do you know you won’t like it if you don’t try it?’ You don’t have to try things to know if they’re good or bad.”
  • 15:00 – He spends time —at length— setting up how he likes science. The scientific way to shoot a rubber band. Paper airplanes. What does that have to do with creationism/evolution?
  • 19:45 – “First-graders believe everything you tell ’em.” Yes, they do. That’s why it’s so important for religious folks to proselytize to kids, isn’t it? Why are you using this argument against teaching evolution in first-grade science books? (return to this later)
  • 20:27 – KH says there are multiple definitions of evolution. Cosmic evolution, chemical evolution, stellar and planetary evolution, organic evolution, macro-evolution, micro-evolution. Is this something that scientists split hairs over? He says the definition of the biblical word “kind” is if two animals can “bring forth” (sexually reproduce).
  • First law of thermodynamics. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. He says, “we’re here you know. So that means 1) someone made the world, or 2) the world made itself.” So I guess he’s okay with his supernatural god breaking the “rules” to make the universe.
  • He claims that we cannot observe evolution.
  • 28:00 – He spends some time setting up the big bang theory. It’s a complex theory, but he ridicules it. He’s basically trying to appeal to personal incredulity. And there’s also some major strawman stuff going on too.
  • 31:00 – He asks “Who made matter?” and the answer is “I don’t know” it doesn’t logically follow to say “God did it”. It’s a lazy answer to the question, and an unsatisfactory one for an uncurious mind.
  • 31:30 – KH claims that science is a religion just as much as his is.
  • 32:53 – “Where did the laws come from?” “Where did the energy come from?” Conservation of angular momentum.
  • 37:34 – He claims that the big bang idea is out of date or obsolete but scientists still use it anyway. He cites  “The Big Bang Under Attack”, Science Digest, Vol. 92, May, 1984 p:84 as a source. I’d sure like to read this article.
  • 38:18 – Second law of thermodynamics. Everything tends toward disorder. Nothing gets better by itself.
  • 42:00 – He says we shouldn’t teach people that humans are animals. If we teach people that we are nothing more than animals, then we will act like one. (I would point out that humans have been acting “uncivilized” since like, forever) He points to rock and roll music–have you heard the lyrics? “It’s nothing but death and destruction and blood”. Oh, that’s funny–have you read the bible recently?? Irony.
  • 45:00 – KH discusses the legality of teaching creationism in schools. He argues that teaching evolution in schools is destroying kid’s faith in the bible. Well, if that’s all it takes to destroy faith in the bible, well then your bible is pretty weak, eh?
  • 46:07 – he causally links federal funding in the 1950s to amount of text about evolution in books. | Book reference |  And THEN goes on to link the introduction of teaching evolution to the rise in STD, pre-marital sex, teen suicide rate, and unwed teenage mothers. He continues to link evolution to the Columbine shooting, saying that the kids were EVOLUTIONISTS *gasp*.
  • 52:34 – “billions and billions of years ago….” and KH says, “uh, were you there?” He says that you need to observe something directly for it to be true. But murder cases are tried and charged without direct eye-witnesses, rather by observing evidence of the scene.
  • 52:54 – he says that “most Americans believe that the earth is only 10,000 years old.” and cites a Gallup poll. That doesn’t make that belief more true because the majority of people believe it, Kent.
  • 53:56 – He then ostracizes “modern medicine” of the 18th century for believing that bleeding people would cure them of their “bad humours”. (return to this later)
  • FINALLY, almost one hour into this talk, we get to stuff on “The Age of the Earth”
  • 55:03 –  sunken treasure ship. Dating the boat to the youngest coin. “Limiting factor”. He shows us a toe bone of a dinosaur (who knows if it really is one or not). And he ridiculously says, “well the bone doesn’t talk and it doesn’t have the date it was made stamped on it. The only way to know is to ask the guy who made it, God of course!” Good
  • 1:01:01 – Then he talks about sin. lying, etc. proselytizing. Urgency of death. On and on and on. Still at it 1:08:01.
  • 1:13:00 Finally finished preaching. Started a NEW seminar at a different location. Good grief that was IT?! You have a seminar called “the age of the earth”, you don’t get to the age until 55 minutes into the talk and then you proselytize for 15 minutes at the end. Compelling stuff, Hovind.
  • 1:16:00 – He jumps right into the sunken treasure metaphor, and thankfully from here on out, he stays more or less on-topic.
  • 1:17:00 – KH uses the bible genealogy to date the earth.
  • 1:19:00 – misrepresents/oversimplifies evolutionist timeline to make it seem incredulous.
  • 1:21:00 – claims that it’s okay that Seth and Cain had to marry their sister and have kids with them because in the beginning, there were no mutations or deformed chromosomes to make interbreeding dangerous. Uh huh.
  • 1:24:00 – KH thinks it’s a heresy to teach/believe that death came before sin. (If you believe that the bible is the inerrant word of god, you can’t also believe in evolution). Well luckily, I don’t believe in the bible the way he does, so I’m off the hook! *whew* He continues to point out that nearly every book in the bible references Genesis, so that means that Genesis is important. Since it’s important, if Genesis is not true, then it calls into question the credibility of the entire bible. Can’t fault his logic there!
  • 1:27:00 – Talks about overcrowding. He says that if we were to use the scientists’ population model then the earth would be FAR more populated.
  • 1:31:00 – Talks about the galaxies spinning at different speeds. Stars in the middle are going faster than the ones on the outside. He claims that if the galaxies are billions of years old, they would no longer have the spiral arms. He rattles off a bunch of celestial examples of young universe. Ganymede (Moon on Jupiter) strong magnetic field. Rings on Saturn. Distance of our moon, and that it is moving away from us a little bit each year. Comets are losing material, they can’t last more than 10,000 years (why do we still have comets?). They come from the Oort cloud! (but no on has EVER seen the Oort cloud).
  • 1:43:00 – He touches on how we should “consider that which god hath made”, and that considering man-made things is a trivial waste of time.
  • 1:45:00 – Magnetic fields are weakening? KH just DESTROYS the Pangaea theory. 😛 Shrank Africa just to make them fit? If you take the water out of the ocean there’s DIRT underneath?
  • 1:48:00 – The rotation of the earth is slowing each year.
  • 1:49:00 – Sahara desert is the biggest desert in the world. Why aren’t there bigger deserts?
  • 1:51:00 – Says that the oil came from all the people and animals that died in the flood.
  • 1:53:00 – Ice core rings (summer/winter/summer/winter) he claims they are not ANNUAL rings rather just warming and cooling patterns. | Read: The Lost Squadron
  • 1:57:00 – petrified acorns, petrified pickles, petrified fish giving birth, petrified boot with leg still in it, etc.
  • 1:58:00 – why isn’t the gulf of mexico completely full of mud by now?
  • 1:59:00 – oldest tree in the world is a bristle cone pine, 4300 years old. biggest reef on earth is less that 4300 years old. Niagara falls is eroding. Oceans are getting saltier.
  • 2:07:00 – stalactites that grow inside of 50 years.
  • 2:09:00 – oldest writings are 5,000 years old
  • 2:13:00 – brainwashing procedure. “don’t worry it’s a harmless procedure”
  • 2:10:00 – From here on out, proselytizing.

Part Two, The Garden of Eden

  • First off, KH points out that the bible WARNS us of people who scoff at it. Oh isn’t that convenient? Make your believers afraid of people who ridicule it? The scoffers don’t want to admit that god created the world, because that would mean that god owns it, and there will be a judgement for their evil deeds.
  • 6:45 – KH claims the best version is the NKJV. All other translations are no good because they water down the meaning of the word of god.
  • 9:00 – gap theory. This is a theological debate really. The bible scholars want to try to make the bible fit in with evolution by saying that each day that god created something was actually billions of years. KH doesn’t agree with this, and spends quite a bit of time arguing for a literal 6-day creation using the bible.
  • 19:00 – I’m sorry, what did you just say? “Plants aren’t alive. They don’t have a soul, they don’t have breath, they don’t have blood.” and then in the VERY NEXT BREATH he says something about “thousands of dead plants and animals.” but wait a minute dude I thought you just said that plants aren’t alive, so how can they be dead?
  • 28:00 – KH talks about the earth’s firmaments (atmosphere) 7th layer water/ice above the earth. New theory–lack of oxygen killed dinosaurs | air bubbles trapped in amber |
  • 38:00 – Hyperbaric oxygen chambers promote health and well-being. People heal faster. He says that people before the flood had hyperbaric chamber conditions, and this is why they lived so long.
  • 44:00 – artifacts found in odd places. bell in coal. shoe sole in coal. frozen leaves in Antarctica.
  • 51:00 – there were giants in those days. Accounts of giant skeletal remains found.
  • 1:01:00 – Neanderthal man was just an old man with diseases. Eyebrow ridge is a bone that grows all your life.
  • 1:02:00 – Lucy, the missing link. She was discovered two weeks before the researcher’s grant money ran out. KH is saying that the timing is suspect and awfully convenient. Lucy is a conspiracy. evolution propaganda. Lucy’s knee joint. | Java man found by Dr. Dubois in Indonesia. KH says that the method of finding these remains was sketchy at best. Found a random smattering of bones, declared them to be the “missing link” but ignored the fact that two normal human skulls were found in the same area.
  • 1:10:00 – KH uses a quote by Takahata “There are not enough fossil records to answer when, where, and how homo sapiens emerged.” Here’s the original source. Now, I am a cheapskate, and I have to pay $32 to read that article, but based on the title and the abstract, I’m thinking that the quote goes something like this: “There are not enough fossil records to answer when, where, and how homo sapiens emerged … but studying the genetic code does.” Ahhhh, context.
  • 1:18:00 – KH rattles off a lot of huge animals. Rhinos, mammoths, sharks, salamanders, etc.
  • 1:20:00 – Clamshells at the top of Mt. Everest
  • 1:22:00 – dinosaur and human remains found together.
  • 1:28:00 – More human artifacts found in odd places
  • 1:31:00 – Smithsoniangate
  • 1:33:00 – Eating seeds, cyanide, cancer, vitamins cure horrible diseases, health, nutrition… “I haven’t had heath insurance for 14 years… I just take vitamins” WHAT THE FUCK.
  • 1:42:00 – pregnant women died, germ theory.
  • 1:43:00 – animals were all vegetarians before the flood.
  • 1:46:00 – fantasy story time “God’s gonna fix it back”
  • 1:49:00 – See sounds
  • 1:51:00 – Ending proselytizing speech

Part Three, Dinosaurs

  • 6:00 – bring babies, noah brough the “kinds” (i.e. generic doc) (8,000 basic kinds of animals)
  • 15:00 – comparitive study of other flood mythologies.

The series does continue in four more parts, but I’m a little tired of the subject for the time being, and will return later if I feel like it.

Part Four | Lies in the Textbooks

…to be continued.

Part Five | Dangers of Evolution

…to be continued.

Part Six | Hovind Theory

…to be continued.

Part Seven | Questions & Answers

…to be continued.

Part Eight? | Seminar Name Unknown

…to be continued.

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